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Created by First Responders for First Responders.  Hear this amazing story about how four people came together to create Carter Kits, a tool that First Responders can use when they arrive on the scene and encounter someone with autism or special needs.  This is a story you won’t forget!

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Cliff Duvernois (00:04):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the call of leadership podcast where we interview people from our Michigan community who answered the call of leadership. We’ll hear their powerful stories and get their advice. Today’s episode represents a very special episode for this podcast. It started when I read an article in a local magazine about this amazing group of people working together for a very special cause that they are all extremely passionate about. Today we’ll be talking about Carter kits designed for children with autistic spectrum disorder. It’s a kit that first responders can use when responding to emergency calls. Behind this amazing team

Cliff Duvernois (00:44):
Of Carter kits are my guests today, Dr Ellen Preen, Lieutenant Brandon Hausbeck, Andrew Keller and Detective Justin Severs. Hello everyone, and welcome to the show.

Lt. Brandon Hausbeck (01:00):

Cliff Duvernois (01:00):
So we’ll start off with Ellen. Ellen, why don’t you tell us where you grew up and where you’re from and what it is that you do?

Dr. Ellen Preen (01:07):
Actually, I was born and raised in Malaysia. I’m biracial. I’m Asian and Polynesian. I’m a clinical neuropsychologist. Hack this in Connecticut and adult who do assessment to find out. And I have published that. I have to sense it as well. And I also, I think more importantly, I have a 19 year old daughter who has autism. So I think that you know, have somewhat of a unique perspective when it comes to working with this population.

Cliff Duvernois (01:46):
Brandon, please call us where you’re from and what it is that you do.

Lt. Brandon Hausbeck (01:50):
Yeah. Hi cliff. I’m from Saginaw, born and raised, lived here my whole life. I work in Saginaw for the fire department. So you sag on the fire department. Currently the training and safety officer. Been there a little over 10 years. Really happy to be a part of this, a new venture that we now know as Carter kits.

Cliff Duvernois (02:10):
Excellent. Thank you. Andrew, tell us where you’re from and what it is that you do.

Andrew Keller (02:14):
Well, I’m Andrew. I’m from Davidson originally now live in Frankenmuth. I am a real estate agent. I, my former life was a TV reporter for a local television stations. You know, it’s, it’s very special opportunity to be able to help put these car kits together because I know Carter for quite a while now for many years and you know, to be able to kind of have this vision and, you know, having the support of dr [inaudible], Brandon and Justin, you know, as we continue to kind of grow this thing, I think it’s a really special thing and I think these kits are going to make a difference not only in mid Michigan but across the nation.

Cliff Duvernois (02:54):
Excellent. Justin, please tell us where you’re from and what it is that you do. Yeah.

Detective Justin Severs (02:59):
I originally grew up in Bertran about five years ago. We moved out to Frankenmuth where we are currently living right now. I am a detective with SEG and I township police department. I’ve been there about six years. Originally I met Brandon when I worked in second patrol officer there.

Cliff Duvernois (03:17):
Excellent. Now Justin, for those who are listening, why don’t you tell us what is a Carter kit?

Detective Justin Severs (03:24):
A Carter get us something we put together. It’s for, ah, originally the first responders. And it has sensory tools in there, OIS a weighted blanket noise canceling ear, earmuffs and sunglasses for when responding to a scene where there’s a child or a person with autism, just help them in order to calm them at the scene. Obviously when we’re there you have lights,

Cliff Duvernois (03:55):
Everything’s kind of chaotic, but even call him that situation. Why don’t you tell us about that first day when you thought about the idea for a Carter kit?

Detective Justin Severs (04:08):
Yeah, actually Brandon and not Andrew and I were in a group text message and we were talking up that we should answer. We wished we had something like this around the area for children with autism. And Andrew kind of grabbed the bull by the horn and said, I want to do it. And he put in his own money. He ordered the stuff and next thing you know, we had 10 kids that he donated to the local agents needs. And since then it’s kind of spread like wildfire.

Cliff Duvernois (04:36):
That’s absolutely great. Brandon went and going through this text message and you’re talking back and forth. What was it that went through your mind when this idea was presented?

Lt. Brandon Hausbeck (04:47):
Well, it seemed like something that I couldn’t believe that we’d never thought of this before. I’m like, yeah, you know, this makes so much sense. Why has this never come up? Why have I never seen anything like this? And so when we were discussing it and you know, figuring out what items would go in and things like that, it just made sense completely a hundred percent and I was all in and like Justin said, you know, Andrew was kind enough to donate 10 right off the bat. So we were able to get a presence going locally and then we saw how it just took off and it was amazing and everybody wanted them.

Cliff Duvernois (05:22):
You know, Andrew, obviously you love the idea as well. What was your thinking behind it? Just, you know, automatically say, you know what, I’m going to step up and get the first kits going.

Andrew Keller (05:30):
Well I got to add a little humor to it. So I’m in a text message with Justin and Brandon and all they do is go back and forth. You know, having one as a police officer, one as a firefighter, they continuously kind of go at each other. So it’s funny to be in and one day it got serious when Justin had the idea of, you know, what could we do to make our community a better place? And it was one of those aha moments. I guess you, I’m always looking to help. Luckily, you know, I, I have the opportunity to do these things to be able to help. So what I did was, you know, I took the opportunity and I talked to a bunch of specialists you know, autism specialist in the area. What do these kids need? A weighted blanket noise canceling headphones, sunglasses trunk fidget toys I should say, and a nonverbal cue card.

Andrew Keller (06:23):
So we got it going. And I, you know, I, at first I didn’t have the nonverbal cue card in my, the kids, but that has been something that we have since added. But I also took the opportunity to talk to my fiance and then McLeod’s mom and she has a good friend named dr [inaudible] and I, Ellen has been an excellent source of information for this. Obviously with a background as a clinical neuropsychologist, we stopped, we wanted to bring her in. We quickly realized, yeah, we were focused in on just autistic children at first. And she said, guys, this could be something that could be news for special needs all across the board. So you know, we thought about it and yet they can be, and you know, these obviously the initial impact of it is having young Carter as well as Ellen’s daughter on the autism spectrum. But you know, at the end of the day we kind of dropped the autism name because these are sensory kids. You know, if you have special needs, there are things inside that can really open the opportunity for other children who, or even adults who first responders interact with you know, to give them an extra tool in their toolbox. And when they show up to a scene, I to help with the community, help deal with these, you know, these traumatic situations as best as they can.

Dr. Ellen Preen (07:46):
Excellent. So then my next question will be for Ellen is I know that there’s a lot of organizations out there doing a lot of great things for children with autistic spectrum disorders, special needs. What was it specifically about the idea behind the Carter kit that attracted you? Well, I think that going back to that Justin and also Brendan that brought up that why haven’t sued off this shit similar to this has been brought up or come about. And I think it speaks to a larger problem in our society because I do not think that we consider mental health to be an important part of our wellbeing. Wow, that’s an interesting, an interesting idea. What makes you think that? So for example like Brendan and Justin is saying and the first responders toolkit, there isn’t anything to help calm a person down during a time of crisis.

Dr. Ellen Preen (08:48):
Right? The first responder tend to say, are you bleeding? Let me check with your vitals, check for blood pressure. And he concussion, but we say, gee, I knew how you feeling right now. You know, emotionally. And I think that those are the issues that speaks to a larger problem. And as society when we don’t deal with the mental health niche, knew that it struggles, I think for a lot of people to then personally to own up that they needed some help in the mental health realm, but also speaks about to society not understanding that mental health wellbeing is just as crucial as your physical wellbeing. You know, they always say, people who are thing is asking me, are you bleeding? Are you hurt? I’m not, but doesn’t mean that not hurting inside.

Cliff Duvernois (09:32):
Right. That’s actually a very good observation. And I want to go back Ellen to something that Andrew pointed out before and that’s the fact that first the, the kit was built for children who were on the, the autistic spectrum disorder, but you actually pushed to expand it. Why did you push for that expansion?

Dr. Ellen Preen (09:53):
Well, I think that is a combination. Mostly it’s because of my own work experience, my clinical experience working with children with a variety of struggles and specifically with school district who had the unfortunate event of the school shooting. I really get to see first hand what, how the children some more than others. I do think children are resilient and a wonderful, you know, there’ll be things, but with a traumatic event like the school shooting definitely leave a Mark. And I think that as a society we should be responsible to bring to the awareness that is okay to say I’m scared, I’m sad, I’m kind of glad I didn’t, my teacher got hurt. So those are the things that I think when I look at the big picture, I feel that not just children would benefit from this corner kit, but anybody, you know, like guys that when you show up with flashing lights, number one, that facilitated that brought them to the scene to begin. Right now you have all of these commotion going on and even the best of us sometimes under those circumstances will be hard to manage. And

Cliff Duvernois (11:19):
So Ellen, I know that you’re very influential in the design of the kit and what goes into it as well as further refinement and improvement. What guides your decision making process when you’re saying, you know, this should be in the kit or we need to design something new, what, what guides your process or your thinking?

Dr. Ellen Preen (11:37):
What really comes down to is especially should are on the spectrum or even individuals who are under stress or overwhelm. Our sensory perception tend to sort of go over, go overboard. So for people it’s much harder for them to calm themselves down because due to a combination of perhaps lack of ability or the event itself is too traumatic for them to handle. So I think that it’s important to address these sensory issues during those moments and give them tools that they would not have otherwise to cope. So distraction would be cool. Okay. When they’re so fixated off, you know, something bad that just happened. If we can give them something else with Bridget to play with, that would take their mind off it. Even for a minute. I’ll take that minute over. No minute. And then when it comes to, especially, you know, where the children are individual with anxiety, with trauma, with autism, they tend to have that hyper sensitivity as well as hyposensitivity to the environment. All of a sudden a noise that would seem benign to them before. Right now it’s too much for them to handle. So if we can put on the earphones and block out some of the noises to help them center themselves, that will be a great tool for them to use.

Cliff Duvernois (13:03):
Yes. Cause I could imagine that in the time of an emergency there’s going to be a lot of noise going on that would really scare somebody who didn’t maybe understand what was going on or couldn’t be able to process it so.

Dr. Ellen Preen (13:17):
Well. And I think this is perhaps something Justin and Brandon can answer when you guys are on scene, how often have you seen even adults, right. Overwhelmed and confused with what’s going on.

Cliff Duvernois (13:30):
Brandon, this question is for you. I know you’re responsible for, for the logistics of it. So who prepares and ships the Carter kits? So right now

Lt. Brandon Hausbeck (13:39):
We have a pretty cool partnership with SVRC and Saginaw and they are set up, they have a lot of employees there that have a special needs. Not all of them, but they do have some there that they, they help get them jobs and things and you know, a paycheck and it’s a really good program. So we thought, well how cool would that be to partner with them? They can put these kids together and not only are we helping people with special needs at the, at the end when they get the kit, but we’re also helping people with special needs, you know, that are getting a paycheck and putting these together. So we kind of thought it was like a full circle type thing. Unfortunately with the current situation with Kovac 19 SPRC is obviously shut down until everything returns to normal at the current time. Luckily we have some resources amongst the fourth four of us that at this point we’re just putting them together on our own and then working with our logistics companies to ship them out and all of that. But obviously with the coal at 19 we had a delay with inventory and a delay getting all of our products and we’re finally starting to cap

Andrew Keller (14:52):
Out and get back to where we can send the kits out.

Cliff Duvernois (14:54):
Speaking of sending kits out, Andrew, this question’s for you, so you were really influential in getting the first kits out there and I know that some of the kits went to the, the fire department, the brand new works at as well as the police department where Justin works. What did you, what went through your mind when you first saw the kits? I mean, we’re going from an idea now. They’re actually a reality. The kit is there. What, what went through your mind when you first saw him?

Andrew Keller (15:22):
When I first saw him, I knew that these would be big. I also knew that there would be a huge increase in the number of people that wanted to get their hands on them simply because of having Brandon, Justin and dr [inaudible] all a part of the teams. So we get these, we get these kids in and I’m thinking, okay, well, you know, I had put out press releases to all the local TV stations, newspapers, so on and so forth. And they all showed up. And once that happened, once I saw them all there, I knew that this thing would spread like wildfire. Within the next couple of days we, we received phone calls from, I believe it was about 10 States and just a couple of days I gave my phone number out there or people found my phone number when they got ahold of me, they said, how do we get hold of these?

Andrew Keller (16:11):
And that’s kind of, that’s where it really took off. And at first it was kind of one of those things where we looked at it and we thought, should we just do this yearly and then maybe make next year a bigger year yet I said, add on that day, December 12th of just 2019 but by next year I wanted to have 50 of them out with all of us working together, putting our plan together. So far we’ve sent out, I think, I think we’re at about 80 brand and you can correct me if I’m wrong, but we’re, we’re somewhere in the 80 to 100 range of kits that we have sent out or accommodated with different departments and individuals and you know, that number is going to increase exponentially once we kind of get a little bit of normalcy back in the, throughout the country with the covert thing. I think the coolest thing about it is people recognizing the need.

Andrew Keller (17:08):
It’s a great story. We have a real person with Carter who’s a five year old child on the autism spectrum disorder. D is one of the guys that I knew would make this take off because he’s outgoing, bubbly, and he’s a good kid. So having all of those aspects together along with Brandon, Justin and Ellen and myself all working hard to make this thing continue to be a reality, I knew it would be big and it has been, I can’t say that more proud than, you know, being able to do something and really make a difference.

Cliff Duvernois (17:40):
Justin, this question is for you with these kits, make it their way out into the field. What was, what went through your mind cause you were, you know, you were part of that initial conversation about, you know, Hey, let’s, you know, let’s, let’s build something. But now it’s actually going out there. People are calling the phone, they’re saying, I want this kit. What were you, what were you feeling inside based on this reaction? Well, at first I really couldn’t believe how quick it grew. Once Andrew came up with the, I’m going to donate 10 and his initial statement was, we’re going to call these Carter kids after Carter. You know, I found that kind of special, you know, you want to name him after my son and then all of a sudden we’re getting calls from other States and we went down to Alabama and it was just kind of almost overwhelming at first.

Cliff Duvernois (18:28):
You know, you just, you didn’t realize there was that big of a need until it came out. Once we started getting calls from these other States saying, we want these, what do we need to do? We realize that we got to continue with this. Like Andrew said, he wanted to have 50 of them out by next year and I just looked it up and I think we’re at 85 right now. Then I counted and I know I’m off a few, you know, so we’re already double that. But yeah, it’s definitely special. That is definitely special and I know that you know, for the interview process for this, you’ve gotten a lot of ink. You your, your face has been, you know, put on on TV and being interviewed and stuff. What does it like to go from someone who kind of works behind the scenes all sudden you’re, you’re being thrust into the spotlight.

Cliff Duvernois (19:17):
That’s definitely a change. I’ve never been wanting to stand in front of the camera, but just I guess the most important thing for me is like we’re in Alabama to watch the way that Carter interacts with people because of this. He’s been a lot more outgoing, just just being able to interact with the people. I think it’s, that’s the most important thing is that the change I see in him. And I guess if I have to step in front of the camera for that to happen, I’ll keep doing it. Now from my understanding, I read something where you were given an interview in Alabama and your, your son Carter started to get a little bit fidgety and you actually used one of the Carter kits. They were trying to interview me, I want to other patients down there and Carter just kept tugging on me, want me to go play with them.

Cliff Duvernois (20:05):
So we ended up pulling out some of the fidget sensory toys and he over and he just grabbed a ball, one of the stress balls in there and he just kept throwing it against the wall and it totally, totally changed his thinking and his focus and I was able to do the interview because of him being occupied. Wow, that’s completely awesome. Love that. With the kits making their way out into the field during this, during this time, you’re probably getting a lot of feedback from first responders and how has that feedback helped you to further refine the Carter kit? So, yeah, we were definitely still in the process of getting that feedback. But I think some of the things that we’ve learned right off the bat is

Andrew Keller (20:48):
We weren’t hitting every single child that has on ASD autism spectrum disorder. One of the things that we added because of that was the nonverbal cue cards where dr [inaudible] Ellen went through and we worked with a local autism agency here in the area as well to try and get together these cue cards because that was one thing that parents wanted to see. Obviously it’s not going to be tailor made for every child, but at least it gives fire EMS an opportunity to have a card where they can point at certain things to try to tell the child what’s next for those children that do not communicate verbally, essentially. So we, we’ve, we’ve kind on dr [inaudible] as well as the local autism center to really increase our opportunity to hit all facets of the autism spectrum just as well as we can in the end, the simple passage and a donation and a purchase of these bags.

Andrew Keller (21:54):
So I think that w w w we’re definitely learning where seeing what people want, you know, feedback that we have received has been good. And I think like, like dr [inaudible] said, we’re still in that, you know, still in the very early stages of getting feedback and you know, I think it’s going to be interesting to see how it all works out. Yeah. Cause I can imagine that with this being relatively new and just getting out there, you know, first off, the probably most of the first responders are just grateful to have something that they can use out into the field. Yes, absolutely. And I think we’re seeing a lot of that, you know, as we get more requests, you know, at first it was only five different, five different departments and now I can’t, again, this is a number that brain under Justin we’ll have, now we’re in a ton of different departments.

Andrew Keller (22:41):
And with that being said, you know, more and more departments want these because they understand the value of them. And I think, you know what we, where we anticipate this going, I could see dr [inaudible] apartments or even doing YouTube videos, how to use these, how to deploy them out in the field. There’s just endless opportunities. I think that’s the number one thing that we have learned is we need to kind of move with the times, communicate with people who have them, talk to others who don’t and see what we can add to them to make them better. So it’s a really cool opportunity for us to kind of use what we have the template, continue to grow on it. So yeah, there’s certainly, there’s certainly great opportunity for us to continue to grow on it as I, as far as having her expertise and having her knowledge and really continuing to grow this to what it is today.

Andrew Keller (23:38):
Andrew, if I didn’t know any better, I would say you sound like a marketer. Ah, well, you know, I can, I could get some people together, stations and newspapers together. And you know what? I think that’s the number one thing about this, the marketing of the Carter kits. Again, we, we got into this never thinking that we’re going to get rich off of it and chances are we’re not. The bottom line of why we got into this and why we are going to continue to push these kits is because we want to make a difference. You know, we all still work our full time jobs. This isn’t going to be our bread and butter, but for us to have the opportunity to spend a little extra time, use a few of our personal hours to put these kids together, to pass them out, to do our Facebook marketing, to tell people access stories, show them what Carter’s up, to show them, how Carter’s kind of growing as our kids continue to go out more and more places. That’s the best part because I love the kids, but the majority of the people love the story and that’s why I think this has been really successful and I think that that’s what differentiates us from any business. I could potentially put these pillars to have the opportunity to have the actual story behind it for real people that are pushing it and you know, just using our expertise and trying to continue to grow it to where it is today.

Cliff Duvernois (24:58):
You bet. And speaking of story, cause I know the, the Carter kits is named after your son Justin. What, how, what was his reaction when you told him that the Carter kits were named after him? I don’t know if he fully understands that. What, what the

Detective Justin Severs (25:15):
Bizarre as far as helping other people, he just, he sees one and he thinks it’s his, that’s mine. That’s my, it says Carter on it, you know.

Cliff Duvernois (25:24):
Sure. As he gets older he’ll understand that they’re out there helping other kids. But as of right now, he just believes there for him. This question here, I’m going to open it up to anyone who wants to jump in, but I would love for you to tell us a story or maybe tell us a time where you, you know, and I know we talked before about about a Carter kit with Carter, but I w I’d like for you to tell a time where you actually witnessed maybe a Carter kit that was being used in the field. Looking back over the 12 years that I was on the road.

Detective Justin Severs (25:57):
I definitely think of some times that I look back and I’m thinking, man, we could have used that one kid. We would get called over to his house all the time and he would need to go to the hospital. And we were able to do was have four of us show up and just hold the kid down. We actually had to physically restrain him to the ambulance bed. Everything, you know, maybe if we show up and we have tools, maybe we get that rapport with him to where we didn’t have to fight him, we wouldn’t have to restrain him and he would be able to cooperate a lot better with us. And then it’s even expanding on him and the car accidents, I mean it doesn’t need to be directly somebody with special needs all the time. I mean even if you show up onto a traumatic car accident where you know you’re wanting to an amp, your mom or dad, somebody hurt, you can

Andrew Keller (26:44):
Just pull these out and give one of the kids the toys that comfort them.

Dr. Ellen Preen (26:48):
I don’t have a story but I like to sort of expand on what Justin just mentioned is part of the toolkit. The purpose is to take a more proactive stance to helping the individuals to South zoos or calm themselves versus like Justin and up to the point that the personality be escalated to the point that you need to restrain them. That becomes a whole different situation versus if we can be proactive and help them to calm themselves down,

Andrew Keller (27:18):
Then we would not even need to get there. And then, you know, I, I think another good thing too is one of our major donations was to the MMR mobile medical response. Every ambulance in Saginaw County had, and with those Carter kits in every single ambulance, you know, we talked to a lot of EMS people and that’s really been the, that’s really been the, a segment of the first responders who have had the most, the most interest in these because they’re the ones who are showing up on scenes where, you know, maybe somebody is having a heart attack and they have a child with special needs and it gives them the tool that they never had before. So, you know, to be able to put Carter kids in every single ambulance in the County, have other ambulance services around the region as well as around the nation that want these because they see the advantage of having them.

Andrew Keller (28:15):
I think that’s really been an eye opener as well to be able, again, you know, kind of what Justin and Ellen had just said, to be able to have the opportunity to, you know, be proactive rather than reactive rather than the hands on approach. You know, you give them something that they can put their hands on as far as a fidget toy, noise canceling headphones, sunglasses. That just takes us to the next level. And it, I think in my opinion, it creates an opportunity for more of our community approach to mental health, to children who have the special needs to be able to say, you know what, we understand that in every community these children, these adults exist. What can we do to give ourselves the opportunity to be better prepared rather than, you know, having to be reactive to what certain situation. Yeah, you bring up a good point that I know that I know that Ellen mentioned this earlier, but just giving first responders the, the tools that they need so they can be proactive. I love that term. Proactive. So that’s very good. Absolutely. And then I think in Brandon’s situation, Brandon, when we first brought up this point, and now that Brandon expand on it, they’re, they’re bringing in these huge trucks and people dressed up in, you know, their full flyer, get out and get out here and so on and so forth. But for these children to have a little bit of soothing that, the

Cliff Duvernois (29:41):
Tools to help them get through these points. And Brandon, I’ll let Joe explain, but I just think it’s a really cool deal for all first responders. Good. Again, proactive tool and I every situation.

Lt. Brandon Hausbeck (29:55):
Yeah, absolutely. I have a hard enough time. I’m getting kids to not be afraid of us, let alone, you know, a child that has special needs. We put all of our gear on all of our breathing equipment and you know, now we sound like Darth Vader, you know, breathing off this oxygen. And so kids tend to be scared of that. And, you know, unfortunately, you know, I even remember one of the fatal fires I’ve had during my career where a kid actually came outside on his second floor patio but ran back inside because he was scared. He didn’t know what to do. And unfortunately he perished in his bedroom closet because, you know, he was scared and, and, and he didn’t know what to do. So the Carter kits are something that, to talk about the proactivity of them. It’s something else we can also use to relate to these kids and to get in front of them. And so it helps them realize it’s another step in that direction that we are a friend. We are here to help you. We’re not going to hurt you or not. There’s no reason to be scared of us and anytime we can accomplish that, it’s a great thing. So I, I think Carter kits are really gonna help with that as well.

Detective Justin Severs (31:01):
One of the things we hear a lot of police side when the kids are being bad, what are their parents tell them if you, if you don’t behave, I’m going to have them arrest you. You know, so as a, you’re going to be scared. Obviously the police, you get bad feelings. I see a cop, he’s gonna arrest me, you know? And that’s something we don’t want, you know, so where we can pull these kids out in that rapport with these kids or we can get that friendship with them to say, look, Hey, we’re not bad if something happens. We want you running to us, not from us. And also, I think that’s one of the big things to do with these

Cliff Duvernois (31:54):
Johnston. So if people want to connect with what it is that you’re doing or perhaps even donate money towards a Carter kit to help out first responders, what’s, what’s the best way for them to do that?

Detective Justin Severs (32:06):
Well, the best way we have our website, it’s www dot Carter kit’s dot com on there. You can actually purchase the and then also through our nonprofit side, we are teamed with the Saginaw community foundation. You can go onto their website, you can do a search for Carter kits and make a donation through there. Recently we have secured a donation from the 100 women who care of mid Michigan and that was just under I believe $12,000 from that donation. We are going to be able to about 250 kids, which we thought we would keep locally. So they are going to go here around mid Michigan.

Lt. Brandon Hausbeck (32:46):
I think Justin hit on it a little bit earlier, but I just wanted to make sure any of your listeners understood kind of our model that we have. If someone out there decides I want to purchase a Carter kit, whether it’s for my home or for a local department or my church or whatever, they do and you can purchase, you know, one, you can purchase 50 you can purchase 500 there’s, there’s no limit there. The other portion of our business as Justin also mentioned, is we have a partnership with the Saginaw community foundation, which is a nonprofit entity and we have a Carter kits fund there that people can donate to. And in turn we donate Carter kits to police agencies, fire agencies that maybe otherwise cannot afford them or the individual just wants to donate to,

Andrew Keller (33:38):
You know, a portion of the business. It’s also to give back and that’s why part of our model is every that would sell a portion of the proceeds are going to go to donate some of these kids to local departments as well as departments that might not have the means in order to get these kids into their departments. So that’s a very important portion of what we do is just really give back as well as give the opportunity for people across the state and across the nation to get their hands on the kids.

Cliff Duvernois (34:09):
Thank you all so much for being on the podcast today. I really do appreciate it. Thank you.