Empowering Entrepreneurs: Brandee Cooke-Brown on Building 100K Ideas

Brandee Cooke-Brown: But there

was a panelist next to me who said

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something to the effect of you

have to, get outside your doors.

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You're not reaching the community.

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Like, it was like a full call out right?

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Cliff Duvernois: but

it was a good call out.

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: it was, so it was.

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It was not directed to me personally.

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It was meant to really just say, Hey,

you can do all these great things.

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But do you understand the

community you're working in?

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Cliff Duvernois: Hello, everyone,

and welcome back to Total Michigan,

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where we talk to ordinary Michiganders

doing some extraordinary things.

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I'm your host, Cliff DuVernois.

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Today, I'm in the city of Flint.

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The more time I spend with here,

the more I'm impressed with just

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how much Flint is, is really coming

back and working very hard to shake

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off the reputation that they've had.

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And anybody who's been a fan

of the show knows that I love

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talking to entrepreneurs, whether

that's for profit or nonprofit.

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because I really do believe

that entrepreneurship is the

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great economic equalizer.

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So with that being said, today

I'm at a 100K Ideas, in Flint.

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And I'm talking with the executive

director, Brandee Cook Brown.

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Brandee, how are you?

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: I am great,

thank you so much for asking.

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Cliff Duvernois: Before I jump

into it, why don't you talk to us?

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What is 100K Ideas?

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: That used to

be such a simple question and now

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it's so low now it's so loaded.

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as you've

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Cliff Duvernois: It's, nothing's ever

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: No.

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100k ideas is a nonprofit

designed to relieve the innovator

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of the entrepreneurial burden.

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So we know everyone has an idea at some

point in somebody's life they've had

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an idea for a business that they're

like you know this could make me rich.

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Or You know, I think I can handle

that, but a lot of them do not

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have a place to go to get started.

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Because, everyone has an idea.

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But not everybody has the ability to

start a business, if that makes sense.

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That's a very specific skill set that

requires, sometimes knowing people

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who have started a business that

requires some knowledge pieces that

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aren't always accessible to everyone.

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So we were created to bridge that gap.

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if you have an idea for a business,

it can be a service, a product,

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a nonprofit, whatever it is.

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You can come to us.

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And we'll help you determine how

you would like to move forward.

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And so we do that with our direct

client services, which is how we

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started in our bread and butter.

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We sit with you, we learn about

your idea, your inspiration, your

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skill set, where you need some help.

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And from there, we put together

a detailed research assessment.

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Not to tell you whether it's

a good idea or a bad idea.

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People ask us that a lot.

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Like, is this a good idea?

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Is it a bad idea?

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I don't, I don't know.

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I don't have the answer to that.

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and that's by design because sometimes,

you know, you see those as seen on TV ads.

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I say this all the time to people.

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And there are things where I'm

like, I would never buy that.

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But they obviously are selling.

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I say all that to say, it's very

subjective of who would support what.

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And so instead, what we do is we close

that research out with two to three

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things they can do now to move forward.

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And so Some of those next step

services we can assist with.

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We have designers on staff that

can help with your branding

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and your website and your logo.

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And then we also have engineers on

staff to help prototype something

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that you're looking to build.

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And we have relationships across the

state to kind of fine tune things

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as it's time to get to market.

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And test the market.

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See what happens.

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You lose nothing, because our goal

is, we want to get you there without

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making a crazy investment at this stage.

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Because we also know a lot of

people we work with, they don't have

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thousands of dollars to invest in a

mold for a product that's going to

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be manufactured in 10, 000 units.

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That's just not who we're serving.

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And instead, we found ways to be

able to get them to market in a

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very low investment kind of way.

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That allows them to really learn

and see did people buy this?

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Did they like it?

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Did they have suggestions?

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Should I modify this?

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Or they're using it.

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So they're giving feedback.

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And it's very practical is how we work.

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We don't work in philosophical.

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I guess if that is the

best way to say that.

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We work in very much rooted in reality.

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Here's the steps to get to your

business and get it started.

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So that's what we do in a nutshell.

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We've expanded it quite a bit over

the last couple years by adding

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workshops and pitch competitions.

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And now a resource center and a

shop that you can sell products at.

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But the core of it remains the same.

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It still is very much about, we just want

to provide access to entrepreneurship

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to those that have ideas, regardless

of your background, regardless of your

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network, but knowing that it's attainable.

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Cliff Duvernois: And where you're

located in Flint, and this was actually

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a very like pleasant surprise for me.

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So you've got a building, it's

open, the public can come in.

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And many of the people that are

members of this organization can

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actually have a shop set up here.

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: It's

called Shops on Saginaw.

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And it was actually created

prior to us taking it over.

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So the building that we're in now,

the Dryden Building, they, the

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first floor used to be all shops.

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And it was local businesses for

the most part, small businesses.

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A lot of them did not

have other storefronts.

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The goal was to bring

retail back to downtown.

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That was the goal of that project.

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Because there was a time and

actually people tell us all the

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time even where we're sitting It

used to be the kids section of

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JCPenney's or Sears or some Macy's.

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I keep I keep forgetting.

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Somebody tells me every time.

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We do a tour and They tell me.

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So retail was a part of a downtown area.

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And so that's why Shops was created

was like hey, let's bring that

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back Let's provide access to that

obviously a little differently.

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But there's an opportunity for that.

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As the building was being

transitioned in terms of ownership,

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they did end up closing shops.

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What ended up happening was

people were very disappointed.

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A lot of people were supporting shops.

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Because if they wanted to support

local, this was a way they could

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do so and support multiple local

businesses at the same time.

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But also the vendors itself, they

were, they counted on this as a

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way to enter the marketplace at a

very low risk level and do well.

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After being yelled on in the street

by a couple of people, even though

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we did not run shops, for the

record, we did not run it initially.

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It kind of screamed to us like,

okay, it has somehow become our

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mission to bring this battle, there,

no one asked us to, to be fair.

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But we just took it on as something

that we were like, hey, this is

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something that matters to the community.

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Let's figure out how we can bring it back.

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And so that was the catalyst even for

our move from our previous location

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at the Ferris Hall building was,

okay, we have to bring back shops.

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And so that's really where

the inspiration came from.

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We brought it back a little

bit on a smaller scale.

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Because we obviously are using

the space a little bit more

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multi use than it was before.

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But it's the same structure.

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There's no upfront fee.

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So nobody pays a booth rent to be here.

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It's just 15 percent commission on sales.

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And then.

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They just have to give

us their inventory list.

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Because we are a nonprofit and we want

it to we want everyone to do well.

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We do have a little bit more programmatic

components to it than it did before.

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So we do ask that the business

actually be registered.

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That they have their bank account.

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They have their EIN number.

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Our checks are only

written to the businesses.

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And so it's really about if you're

really ready to sell in the market.

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This is what it takes.

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You know, you want to

have everything lined up.

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So also you can track your

business expenses and your

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finances and see how you're doing.

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So, we made it a little programmatic.

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So there's a small change

from where it was before.

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But, overall it's, it's

been so great to see.

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And luckily last year we had opened

just in time for August in Flint.

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And I don't know if you've

been here in August.

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But it's like festival after

festival after festival

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Cliff Duvernois: Oh, with the Art Walk and

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: Between Art Walk and

Back to the Bricks and Crim and, Alley

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Fast and like everything's happening.

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So we were open.

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We were able to be open

during that time and it's not

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actually as full as it is now.

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But even with where it was like

people just you know came in and

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enjoyed supporting businesses.

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And the vendors were here.

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So they were able to show off their stuff

and tell the stories of the businesses.

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So it was a cool thing So

we're very excited that we get

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to keep that program going.

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Cliff Duvernois: And there's so much there

that, I want to unpack, um, because what

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you're doing here is absolutely amazing.

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And, and how you're working

with other businesses and state

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organizations for that matter,

to help out these entrepreneurs.

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And before we jump into all that first,

why don't you tell us where you're from?

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Where did you grow up?

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: up?

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Yep, I grew up in Lansing, Michigan.

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So, about 45 minutes,

down the road from here.

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I went to Sexton High School.

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For college, I went to University

of Michigan because Michigan

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State was way too close.

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My mom would have been knocking on

the door every chance she could.

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But yes, I went to U of M.

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I actually got my first taste of non

profit work right outside of college.

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In my desire to be endlessly

nomadic, I majored in psychology

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and had no desire to be a researcher

or a professor or a therapist.

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So, what's left after that?

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Cliff Duvernois: Which

you kind of have to be

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: You have to be all of

those things you know, so it does come in

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handy, you know, I do use it occasionally.

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No, ironically, actually, the time

I was graduating, I learned about

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a program they were starting called

Mission College Access Network.

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It actually was going

into its second year.

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The model was placing recent

college graduates into high

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schools to be college advisors.

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Similar, if you're familiar with Teach

for America, it's kind of a similar

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structure except not in the classroom.

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You're strictly focused on college access.

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And it's a near peer model, putting

individuals with similar experiences

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to high school students to hopefully

increase their college going success.

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My high school actually was on the

list to be a new location that year.

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And it all was very, serendipitous, I

guess I could say, literally my track

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coach was the one that was there for

the interview, that was there so, uh,

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and, you know, it was, like, fantastic

to see her, and she was excited to

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see me, and we were very much, like,

we're ready to kind of move forward.

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And as a non profit program, that

was my first It's real experience

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into that space and knowing, okay,

I think this is where I see myself.

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Like I see my career.

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moving in.

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So I did that for two years.

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It was fantastic.

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I spent a couple years

in the private sector.

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which I, even though it was not the best

fit for me professionally, I attribute

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that to my ability to be professional

in settings, if that makes sense.

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It was very corporate.

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So you had a certain way you

sent an email, you had a certain

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way you engaged with clients.

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But learning all those soft skills

in a very rigid environment is

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really what helped craft, you know,

the professional you come to be.

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And my husband though is

actually originally from Flint.

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He always had a desire, we were

living in Lansing, but he had

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a desire to come back to Flint.

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And I had said, I'm not going

unless, like, I'm working

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there, like, that's silly.

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We're not just gonna move to

Flint, and I have to commute,

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back and forth, that's wild.

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And he brought me to a networking

event taking place in the newly

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renovated Ferris Wheel Building.

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and We actually missed

all the presentations.

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That is when I met the co founder, David

Ohl of 100k Ideas, who had worked with

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the company that was renovating the

building and bringing 100k ideas to Flint.

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And we were talking and he was

like, So what's your background?

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And we kind of just got

the talking and rolling.

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and yeah, I think I put in my

two weeks, like maybe two, three

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weeks after that conversation.

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It was pretty done at that point.

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Oh, yeah, because they had just started.

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Right.

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So I, as I knew, as much about nonprofit

as I did as a college advisor, right?

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I knew we were grant funded.

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I knew there were like mechanisms there.

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But as far as knowing, like,

no, this is a new nonprofit.

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Like I didn't even ask them,

what's the funding look like?

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Like, what's all the, how long have

you, I asked none of these questions.

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I was like, yeah, sure.

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let's do it.

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and so, no, but I mean, honestly,

it's been the best journey.

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I've learned so much, in the process.

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And really it has been challenging.

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Because you do It's a little

bit of a learning curve, right?

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Like when you're put into the space

and you may know things high level.

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But then to get into the details

and have to figure it out.

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and I do appreciate having a very

supportive team here that allows mistakes.

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I mean, and not anything crazy, you

know, we don't have the building

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coming, crashing down on us.

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But you know, when you,

there's a huge learning curve.

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I mean, people have been incredibly

patient with me as I figure things out.

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And as I get more comfortable.

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So yeah, but that's the

journey to, to Flint for us.

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Cliff Duvernois: I got for you

is, so you had this chance meeting

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with the co founder of 100K Ideas.

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What was it that made you say, you

know what, I'm gonna go all in on this.

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What was it in particular

that drew you to this?

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: Yeah, it's

funny because, I mean, I knew at my

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current, at my job at that time, that

I just wouldn't be there forever.

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Like, I just kind of knew, okay, there's

something else I kind of want to do.

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There's a stepping

stone to something else.

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So there's, that's like

the first realization.

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The second thing was, I had always said,

because I was good at my job, you know,

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I really didn't have any complaints.

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I was like, if I do leave, it's got to

be something that's really pulling at me.

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And I couldn't stop thinking

about the organization.

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And I just really felt like,

you know what, if I didn't do

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this, I'd probably regret it.

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I don't know how to explain it.

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but there was something exciting about it.

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It was a challenge.

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I've, you know, not been in

a situation like that before.

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So it really did push me out of

my comfort zone, but I also think

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that's what I was looking for.

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I was looking for something that

would require me to really be

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uncomfortable if that makes sense.

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So, and it continues to do that.

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And really being able to say, okay,

you're a part of something that has

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really started to make a difference.

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Really, you know.

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And also making sure it did that, right?

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Like it wasn't just something

that came in, not that I felt this

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responsibility in the beginning.

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Making sure we're not just here to make

a quick splash and then we're gone.

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There's a longevity component

we want to see happen.

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Cliff Duvernois: We're going to

take a break and thank our sponsors.

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When we come back, we're going to talk

to Brandee a lot more about what it

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is that they're doing here and how

they are supporting the community.

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We'll see you after the break.

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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to

Total Michigan, where we interview

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ordinary Michiganders doing some

pretty extraordinary things.

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I'm your host, Cliff DuVernois.

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Today, I'm at 100K Ideas in Flint.

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And we're talking with the Executive

Director, Brandee Cook Brown.

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Now, Brandee, before the break, we

were talking about how you basically,

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threw caution to the wind, and

jumped on board with 100K Ideas.

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You were all in.

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What are, like, maybe, one or two of

the key challenges that you were facing?

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Either, either personally,

you coming through the door,

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or just as an organization.

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But talk to us about some of those

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: A community like

Flint, there are unspoken boundaries

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and rules that needed to be navigated.

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Our co founder, he had,

was not from the community.

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wonderful idea, great concept.

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But there are nuances, right,

that you have to learn whenever

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you're coming into a new community.

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And to be fair, I'm not

from here either, right?

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So, it's kind of really learning

how, okay, let's take a step back.

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Let's listen to what people are telling

us and are we meeting what people expect?

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And so there was, we were maybe,

six, seven months in or so.

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And we were looking at the data

and we're like, Oh, this is great.

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You know, it's going good.

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We have, you know, all

these ideas coming through.

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But where are they coming from and

they weren't as many from Flint

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as we would have liked to see.

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Cause I think the initial anticipation

was we're going to open the doors.

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People know this is a

resource that can help them.

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They're going to come.

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And this is before virtual

was a thing, right?

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So you physically are

coming to the location.

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And so it was really kind of

like, okay, so how do we fix this?

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Because, you know, now you have, funders,

like, oh, how's it going in Flint?

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Are people engaging?

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How does this work?

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And so, that became a little bit

of a thing we had to reconcile.

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And actually, I remember,

my role changed slightly.

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I turned, I started going into more

community engagement for the organization

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to ensure that we're doing outreach

and that people know what's going on.

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And I was sitting on a panel, with a

couple of different resources that, an

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organization locally was putting on.

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And they had asked the question,

I forgot what question it was.

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But, the facilitator of the

panel knew we had just decided

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to start doing office hours.

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So we ourselves, in addition to our

partners here, which we'll talk more soon,

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we actually go out to local community

centers for once a week to engage with

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residents and their spaces that they

might be a little bit more comfortable.

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We realized, hey, we're creating

an invisible barrier that we didn't

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realize for people that do not

believe downtown Flint is for them.

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So in order to rectify that, we're like,

okay, maybe at some point they will.

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But we got to meet them where

they are and really engage.

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And that became, through tabling

at community events and really

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getting outside of our own doors.

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And putting ourselves in

different positions as well.

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And so I remember sitting on a panel

right before this program was launching.

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And I had just said something.

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I don't remember exactly what the

question was or what I was referring

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to, but there was a panelist next

to me who said something to the

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effect of not staying downtown, you

have to, get outside your doors.

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You're not reaching the community.

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Like, it was like a full call out right?

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and it took me,

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Cliff Duvernois: but

it was a good call out.

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: it was, so it was.

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It was not directed to me personally.

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That's what I do realize.

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It was meant to, and I really do believe

the person's intent was not malice.

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It was meant to really just say, Hey,

you can do all these great things.

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But do you understand the

community you're working in?

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And I think that was the mirror.

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And that's a valid point, right.

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I will never argue with that.

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Luckily we were planning

to launch Office Hours.

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We just had not announced it yet.

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So they got a sneak peek announcement

at that point because then I was able

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to point out like we hear you, like we,

this is not something we have overlooked.

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This is not something we, take lightly.

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We get it.

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This is what we're doing to address that.

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Cliff Duvernois: Right.

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: So that

was a a challenge because I'm a

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very non confrontational person.

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So I'm just like, oh God.

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But I mean it was it was a turning

point for the organization and at

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that point my focus became how do

we become more community centric?

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Like where do we need to be?

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Who do we need to talk to?

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And it became almost like a Gosh, like a

track down, have I talked to everybody.

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And I'm fortunate because even

though I'm not from Flint, my husband

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being from Flint and him having

connections that I'm able to utilize.

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I was able to get in rooms and talk to

people just simply off of the strength

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of saying, Hey, I'm not from Flint, but

my in laws, they own the barbecue spot

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at the farmer's market, do you know them?

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You know?

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And honestly, and that's why I will always

say Flint is such a welcoming community.

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I have never seen them shut anybody out.

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You just have to come in very authentic.

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And that is the one thing

they just want to see.

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If you are authentically

you, they're open arms.

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They are ready.

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They, they're like, Oh, my

gosh, this is so awesome.

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Because even when I would talk to

people, we were maybe like year in.

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And, people were like, Oh, I

didn't know you guys were here.

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And we're like, that's not good.

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So, it's really being conscious of that.

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So we really took a lot of time to

craft and a community outreach program.

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And how do we do that?

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And that's since evolved.

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So we still have our office hours.

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Every quarter we do a community engagement

with another organization So, that

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includes like, you know going to the

food bank that includes reading for

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schools that include You know a cleanup

at a park like it includes some sort of

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engagement to let people know not just

What 100K is but that we actually are

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here and we you know We share the same.

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And that we care right.

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Like we're not just here to be here

and you know Say that we're in Flint

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for whatever Notoriety that gives

us it's really intentional and we

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really want to make sure people

know we're a part of the community.

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And we care just as much so

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That was a huge thing in that space.

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And then shortly after we're making

all these changes leadership shifted

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a little bit in the organization.

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And I I was asked to step into that space

of like, okay, are you ready to do this?

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And I said, yes, not knowing I

was ready not knowing to do it.

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And that was just a time of learning

curves, Right, Like I went from knowing

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every project that came through the door

to almost being pulled completely out

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of it because there was so much on the

back end I had to learn pretty quickly.

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Cliff Duvernois: One of the things

that you have, that you offer

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here to your membership is all

of these different programs that

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were coming through the door.

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So, talk to us, maybe, like, highlight,

maybe one or two of those that,

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members can take advantage of, whether

it's, if it's a presentation once

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a month, once a quarter, Mm-Hmm.

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: whatever that Yeah.

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So, to us about some of those programs.

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Yeah.

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So as opening the startup hub,

which is what we, call it, we, in

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addition to physical equipment,

we also knew knowledge-based

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resources were incredibly important.

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So in working with the thousand or so

people we've worked with since we opened.

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Those are the things that kept

coming up of just like, well, I

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don't know anything about accounting.

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I don't know anything

about a business plan.

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And to clarify, we do not

help with business plans.

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And that's strategic 'cause there's other

organizations in our community that does.

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So we are big on referrals and

making sure that, we don't take

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on projects we don't need to.

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and so In building out this new

resource center, we were like, Hey,

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we really need to make sure we have

office hours for people to come here.

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It's a central meeting place.

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people know us, they're comfortable

with us, but they can get help from

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different organizations they may

not have had contact with prior.

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And so one of those, accounting being

like one of the number one things on

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the book, we reached out to the John L.

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Group.

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They have an interesting story.

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They're three brothers who

started an accounting firm.

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Actually, it was logistics accounting

and then construction firm.

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They actually just, I shouldn't

say just, they've been opening

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their brick and mortar for a while.

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they actually were a

client as well of ours.

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And so to see them grow into this full

fledged business that they are now is

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phenomenal and being able to utilize

them now for our clients, as a client,

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is such a full circle moment for us.

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They come in once a month and they're

going to provide accounting help.

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So, in talking with their COO, Luther

Brown, he, me and him talked through it.

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I was like, these are the struggles

that we see people having.

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Is that something you can help with?

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He's like, Oh yeah, that's no problem.

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And, so.

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they'll be here not just for office hours

to answer your accounting questions.

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They're also going to be doing

QuickBooks trainings twice a month.

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one session's for you've not used

QuickBooks ever before in your life.

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and You just need help.

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And the other one's a little

bit more experience, but I use

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the term experience loosely.

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Um, you have the platform, you might

have some information in there.

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But you need help organizing it and

getting it, to a point where you

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can run reports and the reports will

tell you what you're looking for.

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Because our goal is we really want

people to be financially stable.

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We see too many, especially

early stage businesses that.

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One, the investment into

QuickBooks is already a thing.

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And then if you don't feel like

you've used it, you're letting it go.

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Because obviously you're like,

oh, I didn't use it that much.

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I'm just letting, as you're,

reflected on expenses and trying

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to make sure you're utilizing what

revenue you do have responsibly.

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But we also know without proper

financial and accounting practices, the

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likelihood of your success is is less.

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And it's also hard to afford an

accountant at that stage of your business.

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So how do we bridge that gap?

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And that's really what we We have

like a two pronged approach to that.

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Well, really three tiered because

there's bringing in an accountant.

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There's the actual trainings.

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And then there's also, we are providing

QuickBooks subscriptions to our

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members for the first year for free.

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So giving them a chance, not just saying,

hey, here's a subscription, you get

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one, you get one, but really, we want

to teach you how to use it as well.

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And that's really how we're, if that's

a great example of just how we're

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approaching the space in general

and the resources that we have here.

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It's not just meant to

be like a one off thing.

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We want you to develop these

relationships, expand your network.

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If you have a question, we

have someone that can help you.

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And that's the message we

want to make sure is clear.

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Cliff Duvernois: I was wondering if you

could like maybe share a story of somebody

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that came in, maybe started from scratch.

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and has been able to use your

resources and be able to grow like

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a real business from from this.

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: It's wild

because I have so many examples.

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So I feel bad like if I call

one specific person out.

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But I'll talk about Miracle

McGlone a little bit.

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You saw his bags downstairs.

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So he actually, he came

to us at a weird stage.

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So we actually, previously a

partner with the John L Group.

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We got a grant to be able to provide

accounting hours for businesses.

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And I believe that's how he

somehow found his way to us.

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or it was a grant program or

something else we had going on.

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And we got to know him.

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And we're like you make these bags by

hand, so we're like what is going on.

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Like what is what are you doing?

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So he had been making these bags by hand.

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And he had been selling them like like

custom bags as they were ordered So,

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you know you could do that and stuff.

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But he had some very specific things

He needed to become more efficient

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and he wanted to make sure he knew

what they were So we ended up working

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with him took him through our process.

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But, he learned his craft

while he was serving time.

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So he learned lever working at that point

and really just found a passion for it.

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And he was, provided clemency

under President Obama.

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So from there, he really was looking for

resources to help him keep doing this.

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Because he just genuinely enjoyed it.

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We're just incredibly grateful

that we're along for his journey

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And so now he's in shops.

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He's also in I believe Comma Bookstore,

which is a black owned bookstore downtown.

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And they both also have his bags.

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And so we have them available.

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You can see him on display.

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He also does custom and

that's what he said.

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He's like, you know, I make sales here.

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And he's had some really cool

months here since he we've opened.

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But he said, you know the referral

piece is what's crazy for me

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He's like people take my card

after seeing the bags and shops.

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And they'll call me and say hey can you

do this or that and he's able to do that.

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And so he's even hosting

Flint does It's Art Walk.

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second Friday of the month.

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And we open it up to vendors to host.

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And he will be hosting the first one where

he'll be to Actually, he's going to do a

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demonstration of how he makes these bags.

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And I mean they're actually real

leather that he is stitching by hand.

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And measuring and cutting and

doing all of these things.

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Cliff Duvernois: Brandee if somebody

is listening to this and they want to

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check out what it is that you're doing.

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Maybe they have a 100k idea.

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Where can they find you?

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Where can they find you online?

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: So online,

it's 1 0 0 K I D E A S dot org.

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That's where you can find us.

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It has links to all of

our programs on there.

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Right on the first page.

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From our direct client services

shops, as well as, our startup hub,

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the shops link is awesome because

it also shows you all our vendors.

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So it gives you a little sneak

peek of who's all in here.

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We are physically located at

601 South Saginaw Street, Flint,

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Michigan right on the bricks.

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So you can't miss us.

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We're right on the corner.

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And in any social media platform.

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We're just 100k ideas 100k.

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So

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Cliff Duvernois: K.

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Nice.

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Brandee, thank you so

much for taking time to

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Brandee Cooke-Brown: Yeah.

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No, thank you so much for having me.

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This is awesome.

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I really enjoyed it.

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Cliff Duvernois: And for our audience You

can always roll on over to TotalMichigan.

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com click on Brandee's interview and

get the links that she mentioned above.

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We'll see you next time when we talk

to another ordinary Michigander doing

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some pretty extraordinary things.

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We'll see you then.